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Название: Visiting the Fortress from Poland ?
Отправлено: armoy от 03 Марта 2023, 20:41
Hello,

I am a French fan of the Great Patriotic War and more particularly of Operation Barbarossa.
There is a long time, I make a web site on this subject :
https://barbarossa.pagesperso-orange.fr/

Currently I would like to write an article about the capture of the Brest-Litovsk fortress.
 
I have the records of the 45. I.D. recovered from the American archives.

I will be in Vilnius for 3 months for work. And I wonder about the possibility of crossing the border from Poland and visiting this site.

Thank you for your attention and I apologize for my poor English language.

Philippe
Название: Re: Visiting the Fortress from Poland ?
Отправлено: igorg25 от 04 Марта 2023, 16:13
hello,

Currently I would like to write an article about the capture of the Brest-Litovsk fortress.
Sure we would like to help you, but this theme is really too big for the article

I have the records of the 45. I.D. recovered from the American archives.
Are they something different from we can see in YouTube?

I will be in Vilnius for 3 months for work. And I wonder about the possibility of crossing the border from Poland and visiting this site.
In our turbulent time conditions at Belarus border can be changed in a short time. Nobody knew what will be tomorrow. Even entered Belarus you can have problem to go out.
Название: Re: Visiting the Fortress from Poland ?
Отправлено: armoy от 04 Марта 2023, 18:52
Thank you Igor For your Answer.

To be exact this article could be divided into 3 or 4 parts published each month in a historical journal.

Of course I know about the political situation but I'd like to use with my trip in Vilnius for next 3 months.

I talk about roll of microfilm from NARA with thousands of originals documents.
I will try to put a sample.



Название: Re: Visiting the Fortress from Poland ?
Отправлено: igorg25 от 05 Марта 2023, 08:54
To be exact this article could be divided into 3 or 4 parts published each month in a historical journal.
How can we help you? What is +/- plan and direction of articles?
I can recomend some books in inglish, is it OK for you?

I talk about roll of microfilm from NARA with thousands of originals documents.
I will try to put a sample.
will glad to see all possible materials.
Название: Re: Visiting the Fortress from Poland ?
Отправлено: armoy от 05 Марта 2023, 13:14
I've all that I need about german archives.
I'm looking for original russian archives.

And mostly I would to come on place. I know it' difficult in this time, but I can't write about a subjet without see it myself.

I fail to insert sample og german archive here so I will send it to you in mp.
Название: Re: Visiting the Fortress from Poland ?
Отправлено: admin от 06 Марта 2023, 11:43
...I fail to insert sample og german archive here so I will send it to you in mp.

Attachments are not allowed on this forum, but You can add links or insert picture links via "pic button" that inserts [img][/img] tags
Название: Re: Visiting the Fortress from Poland ?
Отправлено: admin от 06 Марта 2023, 11:46
armoy,
Please contact иван through PM  http://fortification.ru/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4676
He will probably inform You on tourism / visiting
Название: Re: Visiting the Fortress from Poland ?
Отправлено: armoy от 06 Марта 2023, 12:34
A sample :

https://imgbly.com/ib/B0sYBzbH3e (https://imgbly.com/ib/B0sYBzbH3e)
Название: Re: Visiting the Fortress from Poland ?
Отправлено: igorg25 от 07 Марта 2023, 09:25
A sample :

https://imgbly.com/ib/B0sYBzbH3e (https://imgbly.com/ib/B0sYBzbH3e)
http://fortification.ru/forum/index.php?topic=4879.msg154336#msg154336
but your image is more clear
Название: Re: Visiting the Fortress from Poland ?
Отправлено: armoy от 07 Марта 2023, 21:46
Sorry I don't check all this forum.

Do you have this kind of rapport ?

https://imgbly.com/ib/Xf0OipdS6V
Название: Re: Visiting the Fortress from Poland ?
Отправлено: igorg25 от 08 Марта 2023, 20:29
Sorry I don't check all this forum.

Do you have this kind of rapport ?

https://imgbly.com/ib/Xf0OipdS6V
What is the name of report?
Название: Re: Visiting the Fortress from Poland ?
Отправлено: armoy от 09 Марта 2023, 21:17
https://imgbly.com/ib/IPB1PpxWAU
Название: Re: Visiting the Fortress from Poland ?
Отправлено: igorg25 от 10 Марта 2023, 11:10
Sorry I don't check all this forum.

Do you have this kind of rapport ?

https://imgbly.com/ib/Xf0OipdS6V
What is the name of report?
Excuse me, it's from "45 I.D. (Ia): Kriegstagebuch vom 21. Juni-17. November 1941"
Do you have a book of K.Gancer "Brest. Summer 1941"?
Название: Re: Visiting the Fortress from Poland ?
Отправлено: igorg25 от 10 Марта 2023, 11:21
https://imgbly.com/ib/IPB1PpxWAU
it looks we have information from this report (from R.Aliev) but not the text itself
Название: Re: Visiting the Fortress from Poland ?
Отправлено: armoy от 10 Марта 2023, 19:30
Hello Igor,
There is a misunderstanding. I have the original text from the archives of 45.ID and 18.Pz-Div. from microfilm archived in the American archives.
And the examples I provided are from that source.
I also have the nominal list of German losses of 22.06.1941 at this battle for example.
And I would like to find Soviet archives and exchange our informations. But I suspect you all have other priorities to manage right now...
I don't know this book, but I would like to do an original work without being influenced by other authors.
Название: Re: Visiting the Fortress from Poland ?
Отправлено: igorg25 от 10 Марта 2023, 21:04
https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/mgzs-2019-0102/html
Kristian Gancer [= Christian Ganzer] [u. a.], Brest, leto 1941 g. Dokumenty, Materialy, Fotografii

This book is collection of 45 I.D. documents in German with translation to Russian According to russian archives, if we speak about 1941, the quantity of info is close to nothing. There are two reasons:
1. no one in the fortress recorded the course of events, only one document is known - Order number 1.
2. the memoirs of the defenders are mostly inaccessible because, if published, they can harm the official version of the defense.

I should explane the situation. There are two version of brest fortress defence-1941.
1. Oficial geroic version reliased in communists period and supported by existing goverments.
2. Historical version studied on this site.
The common between them - place and names, not more than that.

Название: Re: Visiting the Fortress from Poland ?
Отправлено: igorg25 от 10 Марта 2023, 21:06
here are links to my photo and video archives

Photo:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!ArfyRzleVK-Hgg4G10Q0yQddmXCw?e=0oPf67

Moves:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!ArfyRzleVK-HqyO3U6wbw-xeWE0G?e=xsWEWO
Название: Re: Visiting the Fortress from Poland ?
Отправлено: armoy от 11 Марта 2023, 10:46
Thank you very much Igor.
These pictures and videos seem to be very interesting. And I have all the week-end for see them because it's "rasputitsa" on sidewalk in Vilnius.
I discover a high quality picture in archives.
Maybe you have yet, but I give you the link :
https://ibb.co/nRSr5YB

Название: Re: Visiting the Fortress from Poland ?
Отправлено: igorg25 от 11 Марта 2023, 19:06
Thank you very much Igor.
These pictures and videos seem to be very interesting. And I have all the week-end for see them because it's "rasputitsa" on sidewalk in Vilnius.
I discover a high quality picture in archives.
Maybe you have yet, but I give you the link :
https://ibb.co/nRSr5YB

yes, it's known photo, but not everyone here have it in this quality. Thank you.